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The Deathly Hallows

Finished the book last night and I feel...meh. I dunno. Numb. Disconcerted? Maybe even cheated (which is a word I'm seeing thrown around a LOT about this book)? I know I'm not the only one who feels like the whole Deathly Hallows subplot was completely unnecessary and wasted a LOT of time. And Harry was a Horcrux was both way over-complicated and a cheat. But, meh. W/E.

Random shit:

There were times in this book I didn't really like Dumbledore at all - and I don't mean the "dark side" stuff, everyone has a dark side, but you'd think Dumbledore's might have made him a BIT more sympathetic to Snape when Snape initially came to him, begging for Lily's life ("You disgust me"?! Oh, fuck YOU, you old crackpot.) And DD finally proved what a manipulative old shit he was (which is, again, okay on its face) - I mean, did he engineer Snape's murder as much as Harry's, or did I miss something here? 

I liked Harry much better in this book than I have since GOF, but, again - WTF? Harry's been awfully good at holding grudges himself through these books, yet here he's a font of understanding. He forgives Kreacher, he forgives Draco, he forgives Snape...And, dudes, don't get me wrong, I WAS shamelessly emotionally sucked in to all that cuddly!Kreacher stuff and all the "Severus Snape was never yours!" (and, yes, even "He was the bravest man I ever knew" *hangs head in shame*) stuff...but I also knew I was being manipulated, b/c it was too drastic and OOC. I was being told to feel a certain way rather than made to feel that way. You know?

And speaking of Snape...well, I said it better over at spoil_me_dh, so I'll just repeat it here:

The whole Snape wrap-up has left me with a VERY bad taste in my mouth. Not only was his life a dreary horror, but she threw it at us so fast and so late in the game that there was no...I dunno..."absorbing" it? It was like she just wanted to hit all the appropriate "okay, feel bad for him now" components as quickly as possible. Boom! Aw, he's poor - lookit the funny clothes. Boom! Aw, his parents fight all the time. Boom! Uh-oh, Sev's hanging with the wrong homies now. And on and on and on.

I guess I just don't like being manipulated. I don't want to be TOLD something is/was, I want to be SHOWN. If Severus Snape's driving motivation for all this sacrifice all these years has been Teh True Love, then I'd sort of like to SEE more than a slideshow of Sev/Lily, a friendship that apparently spanned years - I'd rather have one or two longer and truly emotionally moving/touching scenes than what we got.

And while we're on the subject...

OMG! Lily was supposedly Snape's best friend, and yet he has to steal a "Love, Lily" from someone else's letter as a souvenir? Hello? How pathetic can she make him?!? *grumbles*


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Jul. 23rd, 2007 07:27 pm (UTC)

I just feel... I dunno.

I did love the Lily/Snape memories, but like you said, it was too little too late. Especially the scene where Snape expresses his horror at DD's assertion that Harry must die... "Always" ...that broke me. And then, when his last words were "I have a plan," I was radiantly POSITIVE, for a few brief pages, that Snape had secretly, without DD's knowledge, done SOMETHING that would enable Harry to survive the encounter with Voldemort. How awesome would THAT have been??? OH the irony! Dumbledore the Noble willing to sacrifice Harry but Severus the Ruthless unwilling! DUDE, IT COULE HAVE BEEN SO FUCKING GREAT!!!

And it would have made Snape's death (the starkness of which I actually liked; a horrible end to a horrible life) less pointless... or rather, it would have given it a cathartic quality without sacrificing the aforesaid bleakness (because we would have found out about Snape's protection afterwards).

But no. None of that. Just a trip through Snape's memories, and a manipulative twist and jerk at the end to simulate closure with the life and nature of the Potions Master. Not even a glimpse of Snape's headmaster portrait. All I wanted was a calm, understanding look between him and Harry... maybe a simple exchange:


But NO.

Okay, so I do know how I feel. I feel PISSED. And incurably blue-balled. {:(

Let's co-write our own seventh book.
Jul. 23rd, 2007 07:50 pm (UTC)
Dumbledore the Noble willing to sacrifice Harry but Severus the Ruthless unwilling!

And that would also have thrown enough ambiguity on Dumbledore to render unecessary all Harry's boring doubts and DD's boring guilt about Ariana/Aberforth etc. I'd've preferred Harry adopting a "he can do no wrong" attitude to DD and an attendant HATRED of Snape after seeing the "murder," and finding out in the end he was wrong. I hated the other-worldly conversation with Dumbledore.

...Well, I didn't hate all of it; Dumbledore was amusing and engaging, as always. And I loved the "why on earth should that mean it isn't real?"-line. And the squirming V-child. That was cool. But the concept of it felt SO contrived.

Jul. 24th, 2007 04:18 am (UTC)
Yes, it was HUGELY contrived!! As was much of the emotional engineering in this book. And that's what I can't get around, I think...even when it worked on me! LOL.

And what really pisses me off, I think, is that it was all to give DD some redemption for all the ruthless manipulating shit he did (not to mention that little side plan to, you know, take over the world), whereas Snape's "redemption" felt almost perfunctory and forced.

Although I did LOVE DD's bit about Snape's courage and "Some times I think we Sort too soon," as it showed (I don't know if it was meant to, but it did) that he had changed, in spite of himself. A la Oskar Schindler, you know? I.e., the Snape who first came to DD only to protect Lily is NOT the same Snape who risked blowing his cover by trying to save Lupin's life with a Sectumsempra.

And Snape can make all the silver does he wants, but there's no way you can work that hard to protect someone for that long and completely hate them. The prospect of Harry's death horrified him on a lot of levels, I think.

And how the hell did I get so wildly off-topic? o.O
Jul. 25th, 2007 11:40 pm (UTC)
A la Oskar Schindler, you know?

*Gasp* Yes! EXACTLY! Haha, that's BRILLIANT!!!

And Snape can make all the silver does he wants, but there's no way you can work that hard to protect someone for that long and completely hate them.

I completely agree. I don't think Snape liked it, but I'm positive he began to care for Harry as a person at some point. I've always thought that's why he got so unreasonably angry in OotP after seeing Harry's memories of being humiliated by the Dursleys; it challenged Snape's categorization of Harry as an arrogant bully like James, it showed him how much they had in common... it threatened to make him sympathize.

P.S. I just sent you an email! :)
Jul. 23rd, 2007 10:47 pm (UTC)
Oh, "Always" was killer. I teared up, right on cue. But...

That's what I'm talking about. I just wish I knew why, you know? What I mean is, WHY did Snape love Lily so much even after she abandoned him, refused to forgive him, and ran off and married his tormentor? Yes, we all HEAR him say "Aren't we best friends?" and she says "Of course we are, Sev," but...

All I can say is, she must have been one HELL of a good friend while he had her - and it would have been really really nice to SEE that. :(
Jul. 23rd, 2007 11:28 pm (UTC)
Oh yeah, I hear ya, babe.

she must have been one HELL of a good friend while he had her

Yep. There it is right there. When readers have to go "Huh, well, blahbiddyblah MUST HAVE BEEN blahbiddyblah," you know you have some problems in your narrative.

It's one of the huge problems I had with the movie PoA, actually. The sudden cut to Lupin and Harry taking a nice "hey, let's bare our souls" stroll together. WTF? Gee, they MUST HAVE done some STUFF together and become CLOSE since we last saw them. But it's a good thing the directors chose not to SHOW ANY OF IT. *hunches over keyboard bitterly*
Jul. 24th, 2007 04:19 am (UTC)
Gee, they MUST HAVE done some STUFF together and become CLOSE since we last saw them. But it's a good thing the directors chose not to SHOW ANY OF IT.

Exactly! And Rowling has no excuses - she's writing a damn book.
Jul. 25th, 2007 11:34 pm (UTC)
ZOMG. I just noticed that icon. O_O

*dies laughing*
Jul. 23rd, 2007 07:29 pm (UTC)
As always, not much to add - just wholeheartedly agree :)))

I liked Harry much better in this book than I have since GOF

*cautiously* Does it mean that you might at some point consider writing a snarry? After all, you've got a better grasp of Snape and DD characters than JKR ever will. Not so sure about Harry though ;) Oh, and if you are not too long, i will wait your snarry for all my life! *holds her breath*

Jul. 24th, 2007 04:20 am (UTC)
Oh, honey, I'm sorry, but I don't really like Snarry. Very little of it do I even read. I just don't find Harry sexy. :(
Jul. 23rd, 2007 07:53 pm (UTC)
And ANOTHER thing. If Voldemort could hide one Horcrux at Hogwarts, why not several? Fucking hell, we could have spent half the book with Harry in hiding at Hogwarts, using his Cloak, his map, having contact with all these characters we've come through six books to know and love (McGonagall, Neville, Ginny, Hagrid.) I think that's another reason I feel cheated; we didn't get the things which made us love the series in the first place: Hogwarts and the people who attend it.

Plus, if Harry were in the castle, we could have seen glimpses of what Snape was up to, which in the end could have all resolved brilliantly to show us how he had been walking a knife's edge all along in order to protect everyone and Harry's mission. It could have been wonderful.
Jul. 23rd, 2007 10:51 pm (UTC)
It could have been wonderful.

*sighs longingly*

That DOES sound wonderful. You're right, we need to write our own book 7.

God, I think I feel worse today than I did before.

When Mugglenet comes back on line tomorrow, would you consider joining us? There will be some awesome Snape threads, no doubt about it!
Jul. 23rd, 2007 11:07 pm (UTC)
I would love to! I really need to talk about this with people who understand... Would you consider sort of being my seeing-eye-dog around the place? It takes me an embarrassing amount of time to get the hand of new discussion boards...

And uh, I actually have had some ideas for an alternate-ending fic. Shall I email them to you?

P.S. Love the icon. XP
Jul. 23rd, 2007 11:23 pm (UTC)
hand = hang, apparently. :P
Jul. 24th, 2007 04:29 am (UTC)
Would you consider sort of being my seeing-eye-dog around the place? It takes me an embarrassing amount of time to get the hand of new discussion boards...

I'm on it, Ike. :D My handle on there is Severely Snapped, and the password for the DH forum is "hallows." It's supposed to be back on-line at ten GMT, which is I don't know what the hell what in our respective time zones. Needless to say, I'm going to try and get on tomorrow, work be damned.

Oh, and it's (frustratingly) not like LJ. You can't swear or flame (I mean, at ALL - you can't even flame the characters - no "James Potter was an asshat" for you, my friend! xP) And you can't reply individually to each comment, which sorta sucks. But there's a lot of intelligent people there, a lot of whom love the Sevvers and love to talk about him in exhausting detail. :D

Are you going to register as abromeds over here, too? If not, just let me know your name - you can "owl" me right on the boards. (You'll see how it works.)

And, yes, I'd love to see your ideas, are you crazy? Although they will undoubtedly depress me, being much better than JKR's. :(
Jul. 25th, 2007 07:44 pm (UTC)
Sweet! Okay, I've registered as snapecrepe at mugglenet and sent you an owl (or possibly two).
Jul. 26th, 2007 12:45 am (UTC)
Snapecrepe! LOL! I'm...not gonna even ask. :)

I just owled you. Hope to be on later. *smooch*
Jul. 23rd, 2007 10:50 pm (UTC)
I was afraid to click this link because I was positive I'd be able to hear you screaming through the computer. So, yeah, I'm glad to hear you didn't hate it as much as all that. :) Really what disappointed me the most was that Snape got so little screentime. Can't we just see him, please? And he and Harry never had a proper confrontation, just a posthumous... something, which was what I was afraid she was going to do.
Jul. 24th, 2007 04:34 am (UTC)
Hee! You know me too well. ;P

You sound like you liked it, overall? I'm not saying it sucked or anything, but the further I step back from it, the worse it looks/feels. And the Snape wrap-up was just all wrong. I can't get around that. I expected not much page time for him til near the end, but I was sure Harry was going to get hints about Severus and Lily throughout the book, rather than all jammed into one big Snapey home-movie. :(

It felt like she got near the end, slapped her forehead, and said, "Oh, shit! I forgot! I gotta redeem Snape now!"
Jul. 24th, 2007 05:09 am (UTC)
I liked it except for the fact that she forgot Snape, yeah. I sorta liked the idea of what she did with him, but she did it very hastily, and worst of all, with very little screentime for him. He and Harry never had a real confrontation, which I wanted so badly. Harry had no conflict about forgiving him - probably cuz he was dead, which makes it easy. And he didn't get to die for an especially good reason. The elder wand? It just seemed too small a death for him. The bloody Darth Vader death itself was cool. But all the events surrounding it weren't.

The Snape/Lily thing - I'm really divided on it. On the one hand, I think it fits his character and it fits the overall logic of what love is in her scheme and how it functions with respect to morality and all that stuff she's doing there. On the other hand, I don't...like it. I'd hoped for something more subtle for him. Although I actually do think there's a fair bit of subtlety to the Lily thing - am writing an essay on that right now. Still, I just - wish it hadn't shaken down that way. Snape felt very swept under the rug in general. She kept repeating how Harry "didn't know what he was feeling". Everything around Snape's death and subsequent redemption/whatever was very blank. The only thing that had any life to it was Snape himself in those memories, sobbing and snotting all over himself. If only he could have done that in present time.

So yeah, I guess I'm pretty much with you. All the stuff with Harry and Ron and Hermione on their quest for the first half of the book was really great, I thought.
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