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Sorry, Yoko.

Some things are unforgivable.

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adaveen
Dec. 8th, 2006 04:14 pm (UTC)
I'm really curious what you mean by that - cause - you know - you could mean a couple hundred different things.

You can tell me - if you want to get it off your chest. I'll listen and I'll probably agree with most of them.

;)
padawansguide
Dec. 8th, 2006 04:30 pm (UTC)
My guess is that she's referring to Yoko's letter, which was recently posted on beatlepics:

http://community.livejournal.com/beatlepics/1392577.html

Though, yep - it could mean a couple hundred different things - I figured she was talking about John's murder...
adaveen
Dec. 8th, 2006 04:40 pm (UTC)
Yeah - just trying to figure out what Yoko did that she thinks was so unforgiveable. Not saying there ISN'T anything - just wondering which one it was. ;)
padawansguide
Dec. 8th, 2006 04:48 pm (UTC)
But, in this instance, I don't think hb_princess was saying Yoko did anything unforgiveable. Yoko sent out a letter asking people to forgive others, and I think hp_princess is saying to Yoko, that, sorry, some things (ie, John's murder) are unforgivable.

Though I'm sure hb_princess can speak for herself! ;-) But this is what I think she meant.
hb_princess
Dec. 8th, 2006 07:14 pm (UTC)
Okay, kids, knock it off. Mama's home now. ;)

Yes, Adaveen, Padawansguide is correct. I was referring to Yoko's letter. Basically I was saying that on this "day of forgiveness," uh - sorry. Can't do it. Rot in hell, MDC.

But I appreciate the offer to get it off my chest! ;D (Be careful what you wish for, my friend. Hee.)
eppylover
Dec. 8th, 2006 04:53 pm (UTC)
As much as I like her craziness,
and am grateful that she saved John's sanity after Brian died,
I find many things Yoko has done unforgivable.
Not only the usual stuff, such as how she shafted Julian and the Liverpool Lennons, but...

I cannot imagine me being married to John, since I don't feel that way about him ~ but if it had been Eppy (and I was lucky enough to have been a companion of his), and he had gotten any death threats anytime in his past as John had, I would NOT have walked so far ahead and to the side of him (what couple in love does that, anyway?), and I would have done my best to encourage him to always wear his bulletproof vest.
(I'd even heard that she had discouraged the vest, but that's just what some friends of his had claimed.)

Perhaps this is just the usual paranoia in me speaking, but heck, whatever happened to common sense? And keeping watch over your loved one? Makes you think.

I'm not anti-Yoko.
To some extent I'm Yoko-ambivalent,
but mostly I'm Yoko-indifferent.
padawansguide
Dec. 8th, 2006 05:02 pm (UTC)
I'll repeat my comment to adaveen, clarifying what I said in the comment you replied to:

But, in this instance, I don't think hb_princess was saying Yoko did anything unforgiveable. Yoko sent out a letter asking people to forgive others, and I think hp_princess is saying to Yoko, that, sorry, some things (ie, John's murder) are unforgivable.

Though I'm sure hb_princess can speak for herself! ;-) But this is what I think she meant.


As far as Yoko though, I kind of agree with your Yoko sentiments! :-)
adaveen
Dec. 8th, 2006 05:42 pm (UTC)
The curious thing is - Yoko isn't asking anyone to forgive John's murder -she's asking us to ask the victims of crime and war for allowing those things to happen.

It's a bit convoluted, but Yoko does kind of have an amusing twist of perception sometimes.
hb_princess
Dec. 8th, 2006 07:34 pm (UTC)
Yeah, it really is yet another one of those "WTF, Yoko?" moments. I mean, if you aren't prepared to forgive the bastard who shot your husband (and I don't blame her on that at all), why even GO there?
adaveen
Dec. 8th, 2006 07:39 pm (UTC)
It's definitely a weird way of looking at it. Naw, don't blame her a bit, there's not much forgiveness coming from me, either.
padawansguide
Dec. 8th, 2006 08:08 pm (UTC)
It is kinda strange. I don't blame her either for not being all forgiving of MDC. But if you can't let go yourself, it's odd to expect others to do so. It's like "do as I say and not as I do", which is a message I've never really liked..
hb_princess
Dec. 8th, 2006 07:26 pm (UTC)
Christine, are you saying John actually owned a bulletproof vest? I never knew that! And I find that very curious; it just doesn't seem like something he would do, for some reason. ???

I will refrain from any comment about Yoko discouraging him from wearing it, because I find anything along that line of thought simply chilling. I have to believe that Yoko truly loved John, at least in her own way. I HAVE to.

It's funny, but after watching that "Unseen Beatles" documentary you linked yesterday (THANK YOU for that, BTW), I can sort of see why none of the Fabs had bodyguards or any thing until after John's murder. If I had survived the MADNESS that was their performing days, I'd figure, "Well, I must be safe for the rest of my life."
adaveen
Dec. 8th, 2006 07:40 pm (UTC)
I also believe she truly loved him. Why not? He was completely loveable.
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hb_princess
Dec. 10th, 2006 05:55 am (UTC)
Ah, tell 'em to suck it up. Or, as Paul would say, "It's great, it's the Beatles, shut up."
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themostepotente
Dec. 12th, 2006 01:00 am (UTC)
Greetings! Rumour has it that you're a big Snape/Black and Beatles fan. You sound like my kinda woman. Don't mind me. I'm just taking a look around :-)

--TMP
hb_princess
Dec. 12th, 2006 06:30 pm (UTC)
Welcome to Sherwood, m'lady!

You look a mite familiar yourself there, missy. :) Good to see you again!
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